I want to make it clear too that American culture I only really get through media, because I don't know many people from there in person and I am of course going to be more exposed to Canadian media and content. I have seen a comment that said that "I should have known better" at that age, but maybe that would have made more sense if I was actually living in America.
In Canada there is a law regarding television that 70% of the content has to be Canadian-made, so while we do get a lot of American shows and stuff now, a lot of weird and offbeat Canadian cartoons and such ended up being made back in the 90's and early 2000's.
(cont) And now with the internet, we learn a lot faster about other places now too than ever before because there is no longer that constriction of being mostly exposed to local and national entertainment. When you go to very rural areas, you tend to find people are around 5-10 years behind on the latest fashions and music and such, because they move at a slower time in a sense than people with more rapid access ->
to new media. You kind of have to think of that way when regarding something about how to act due to age, because its experience is what matters in the end, not how many years on the planet you have been on. It's definitely not right to use a term that is racially discriminating to others, but back in that time because of rap and hip hop being the most popular music genre in our schools during then
(cont2) it was very casual and popular to greet eachother like that if you were really close. But they didn't really understand (and still don't because it does still continue to this day) the deeper meaning behind the history of the word itself, they just thought/think it's cool. I didn't know what the confederate flag even was until 2 years ago or so, and still don't fully understand it because of not enough ->
context. It's not really something we learned at in school here if at all because we learn more about our country. And about Nyen's colour, the very first picture of luther with the catmen was in an illustration of him and the creation of his tulpas, nyon and nyen. Since the theme was yinyang nyon was coloured completely white and nyen completely black to represent this. At some point I obviously figured that ->
(cont3) people would definitely take that in a different context than what I was intending, so I changed his design and deleted old comics or accounts or whatever I did lol because that was in the fleshing out stage of the ranfren world and it went through several changes before I settled on a more concrete idea.
So I don't know how this is seen as a bad thing to decide to delete that or abandon works. I've been wondering who on earth this person is who went through digging up my old internet history from 10 years ago, and what is actually their purpose and intent in doing all this. People get exposed to new things and experiences and they change. If the political ideology or whatever you stand up for doesn't include ->
(cont4) rehabilitation and life after hate, then you're not progressive. The rest of the list don't make me fricking laugh. The last one about the residential schools makes me wondering what is going on through your head mate, to even see this shit. Ratmen? "In america". Okay, maybe there. But Canada? Never heard it used that way to refer specifically to a race of people. I mean I get to the part about the glasses ->
and I really think you were high when you wrote all this. How are glasses racist. What is even going on here. Then there is that joke about the "pedo luther" or whatever. So you don't know the pedobear meme you're either 100 years old or 13. "from the WW2 era" who would even fricking know that. It's nitpicking. And the person who started this wants to stir up shit on the internet lol.
(cont5) Canadian movies and shows tend to be more edgy, even though in public we are overall very polite. Trailer Park Boys, Puppets Who Kill, Kenny vs Spency, cartoons like Ren Stimpy, Mega Babies, ReBoot, Cybersix are shows that could be considered the term problematic or contain uncomfortable subjects to many people, but some of these shows are still very popular and some we can see how ->
much a series has changed since when it first came out in the mid 2000's and keeping going today and just adjusting the characters to the current cultures trends and sensibilities.
The fact that this person already took the images down and is showing some accountability and giving any kind of explanation is more than I got from neocities when I informed them about violent misogynistic content and straight up nazis. I was cyber bullied for calling out pro-Russian trolls who were supporting the all-out genocide in Ukraine and I recieved zero support from anyone on neocities through all of that.
I'm also grew up in Western Canada and confirm what ranfren is saying about the type of media we were exposed to. It's really only in tha last 10 or so years that I've come to a greater awareness about many issues and become more sensitive and politically corrent.
The level of harassment that was directed at ranfren and the lack of any openeing for him to grow of become more aware made those attacking him look worse than him
This guy supports Richard Stallman, I tried to talk to him about that and all of the misogyny in the tech world and got nowhere: https://shadowm00n.neocities.org/
Even in the 90's, straight up nazi sites had a hard time finding web hosts, yet here neocities is in 2022 allowing this kind of material to be disseminated
I'm so tired of fighting all of this alone! If you are pissed off by ranfren's content, please help push neocities to make this a safe place for everyone, not a haven for incels, trolls and nazis!
Yeah I've honestly been looking at alternatives since fragmentandreflect first brought that issue to my attention... haven't found any affordable one to jump to yet (or one I can afford I should say) but it's definitely a hot take to allow literal Neo Nazi content on a hosting service. Not like, oh this is kind of right wing, like "nazi" literally in the URL.
Like I get free speech is a thing, but that's on a government level. Allowing literal neo-nazi propaganda on a platform is a platform's choice, and it's... an... interesting one.
I don't even know what copypasta is. I honestly just care about people not being harmed and grew up around a lot of Indigenous and BIPOC people and understand how this type of content can lead to real violence.
Same goes for misogyny and rape content. Support someone after they've been violently raped sometime (as I have) and you might understand better how misogynistic content and allowing a man like Richard Stallman to hold a position of power perpetuates systemic violence against women.
I'm looking over the ranfren document and it does seem like some of it wasn't cool that's for sure, I'm just surprised that other stuff that's more blatant isn't also being challenged.
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I want to make it clear too that American culture I only really get through media, because I don't know many people from there in person and I am of course going to be more exposed to Canadian media and content. I have seen a comment that said that "I should have known better" at that age, but maybe that would have made more sense if I was actually living in America.
In Canada there is a law regarding television that 70% of the content has to be Canadian-made, so while we do get a lot of American shows and stuff now, a lot of weird and offbeat Canadian cartoons and such ended up being made back in the 90's and early 2000's.
(cont) And now with the internet, we learn a lot faster about other places now too than ever before because there is no longer that constriction of being mostly exposed to local and national entertainment. When you go to very rural areas, you tend to find people are around 5-10 years behind on the latest fashions and music and such, because they move at a slower time in a sense than people with more rapid access ->
to new media. You kind of have to think of that way when regarding something about how to act due to age, because its experience is what matters in the end, not how many years on the planet you have been on. It's definitely not right to use a term that is racially discriminating to others, but back in that time because of rap and hip hop being the most popular music genre in our schools during then
(cont2) it was very casual and popular to greet eachother like that if you were really close. But they didn't really understand (and still don't because it does still continue to this day) the deeper meaning behind the history of the word itself, they just thought/think it's cool. I didn't know what the confederate flag even was until 2 years ago or so, and still don't fully understand it because of not enough ->
context. It's not really something we learned at in school here if at all because we learn more about our country. And about Nyen's colour, the very first picture of luther with the catmen was in an illustration of him and the creation of his tulpas, nyon and nyen. Since the theme was yinyang nyon was coloured completely white and nyen completely black to represent this. At some point I obviously figured that ->
(cont3) people would definitely take that in a different context than what I was intending, so I changed his design and deleted old comics or accounts or whatever I did lol because that was in the fleshing out stage of the ranfren world and it went through several changes before I settled on a more concrete idea.
So I don't know how this is seen as a bad thing to decide to delete that or abandon works. I've been wondering who on earth this person is who went through digging up my old internet history from 10 years ago, and what is actually their purpose and intent in doing all this. People get exposed to new things and experiences and they change. If the political ideology or whatever you stand up for doesn't include ->
(cont4) rehabilitation and life after hate, then you're not progressive. The rest of the list don't make me fricking laugh. The last one about the residential schools makes me wondering what is going on through your head mate, to even see this shit. Ratmen? "In america". Okay, maybe there. But Canada? Never heard it used that way to refer specifically to a race of people. I mean I get to the part about the glasses ->
and I really think you were high when you wrote all this. How are glasses racist. What is even going on here. Then there is that joke about the "pedo luther" or whatever. So you don't know the pedobear meme you're either 100 years old or 13. "from the WW2 era" who would even fricking know that. It's nitpicking. And the person who started this wants to stir up shit on the internet lol.
(cont5) Canadian movies and shows tend to be more edgy, even though in public we are overall very polite. Trailer Park Boys, Puppets Who Kill, Kenny vs Spency, cartoons like Ren Stimpy, Mega Babies, ReBoot, Cybersix are shows that could be considered the term problematic or contain uncomfortable subjects to many people, but some of these shows are still very popular and some we can see how ->
much a series has changed since when it first came out in the mid 2000's and keeping going today and just adjusting the characters to the current cultures trends and sensibilities.
this is the most bullshit, lying apology ive ever read my god
i don’t like this apology one bit.
Honestly?? YES!! That's crappy!! Didn't see anything genuine just a "It's 2000s Canada, deal with it"!!
The fact that this person already took the images down and is showing some accountability and giving any kind of explanation is more than I got from neocities when I informed them about violent misogynistic content and straight up nazis. I was cyber bullied for calling out pro-Russian trolls who were supporting the all-out genocide in Ukraine and I recieved zero support from anyone on neocities through all of that.
There are hardcore racists and hardcore rapey misogynistic assholes on here, why not put your energy into confronting that?
I'm also grew up in Western Canada and confirm what ranfren is saying about the type of media we were exposed to. It's really only in tha last 10 or so years that I've come to a greater awareness about many issues and become more sensitive and politically corrent.
The level of harassment that was directed at ranfren and the lack of any openeing for him to grow of become more aware made those attacking him look worse than him
incelperspective.neocities.org
nazi.neocities.org
email kyle@kyledrake.net
https://lolwut.neocities.org/comments.html
pro Russian troll: https://neocities.org/site/koshka/
misogyny and racism: https://holeinmyheart.neocities.org/
pro Russian troll : https://ace-adventure.neocities.org/
This guy supports Richard Stallman, I tried to talk to him about that and all of the misogyny in the tech world and got nowhere: https://shadowm00n.neocities.org/
Even in the 90's, straight up nazi sites had a hard time finding web hosts, yet here neocities is in 2022 allowing this kind of material to be disseminated
I'm so tired of fighting all of this alone! If you are pissed off by ranfren's content, please help push neocities to make this a safe place for everyone, not a haven for incels, trolls and nazis!
Yeah I've honestly been looking at alternatives since fragmentandreflect first brought that issue to my attention... haven't found any affordable one to jump to yet (or one I can afford I should say) but it's definitely a hot take to allow literal Neo Nazi content on a hosting service. Not like, oh this is kind of right wing, like "nazi" literally in the URL.
Like I get free speech is a thing, but that's on a government level. Allowing literal neo-nazi propaganda on a platform is a platform's choice, and it's... an... interesting one.
shits lookin like a copypasta
Okay, this sure is getting turns, I think that we should request a report button or something!!
@fragmentandreflect No mention of me for being racist? I feel left out.
I don't even know what copypasta is. I honestly just care about people not being harmed and grew up around a lot of Indigenous and BIPOC people and understand how this type of content can lead to real violence.
Same goes for misogyny and rape content. Support someone after they've been violently raped sometime (as I have) and you might understand better how misogynistic content and allowing a man like Richard Stallman to hold a position of power perpetuates systemic violence against women.
I'm looking over the ranfren document and it does seem like some of it wasn't cool that's for sure, I'm just surprised that other stuff that's more blatant isn't also being challenged.
tbh he had nothing to be sorry for, all of that was seemingly in the past form what ive seen
I've stopped being a neocities supporter and am also looking to move off of here if the AUP stays the same..
Ranfren did list the "ELLIOT RODGER MANIFESTO" as a 'Useful Site', that's a bit of a red flag
He still has the manifesto in his links section, now with a disclaimer that seems a bit out of place
What in the great googly moogly have I missed now? Jesus christmas.
normalize not giving a fuck
i come back from school to see the longest post on my page