d60010
2 months ago
tbh i don't see consumerism as a moral failing, but i really do feel icky when i spend money on things i know i can do without, even when it's purchased as "ethically" as possible. the only solution i've found is only buying things when i need them. i fail a lot with food tho because of last minute grocery shopping and the "treat yourself" mentality lol.
draggianuniverse
2 months ago
plus even if you can shoplift all your groceries, you shouldn't if you don't literally need to because the corporation won't care, but it does get the workers punished and if they're forced to enforce it, hurt people who DO need to shoplift to survive. it isn't advocacy it's being a dick
draggianuniverse
2 months ago
hence why I fucking hate the tumblrcore mentality of bragging about shoplifting crafting supplies or whatever because no. you are not helping
lakestheguy
2 months ago
@d60010 yeah makes sense. i don't purchase a lot of things either. but yeah it's easy to overindulge in food consumption because it's not like you can go cold turkey on food itself
lakestheguy
2 months ago
@draggianuniverse i'm not sure if employees get punished for it because i heard some conflicting things about that. i even heard they're not supposed to intervene otherwise they get in trouble. so i guess it depends. but there's also the question of "if the corporation sets aside money and doesn't care that much" then is it really fighting the system
draggianuniverse
2 months ago
also I would argue that you individually living off grid doesn't do squat to change the system either because it's just showing off that you have the privilege to do it. that simply isn't viable for most people and it's not like you doing that helps anyone else. like, I read a page here once that claimed "just don't pay your power bill you don't need A/C" and uh in summer in hot climates you do.
draggianuniverse
2 months ago
it's just individual posturing and intellectual masturbation. consumerism is not a moral failing if you have no other choice so rather than bragging about how off grid you are, take the L and do other forms of advocacy etc. they'll be more helpful than any individual lifestyle choices
pinkytelephone
2 months ago
They mentioned on their neocities profile that it was down and gave a workaround https://neocities.org/site/chattable
limovars
2 months ago
I might just switch… I don’t even know why I’m on my current vpn when it keeps disconnecting me😐
lakestheguy
2 months ago
@limovars yeah i've been running into vpn problems but it mostly seems to be openvpn for some reason
bloodbathspite
2 months ago
aww man what? that's so stupid of them. i'll update my guide in a moment to mention that
are there any good youtube alternatives out there tho? i need something to listen to while drawing when i don't feel like listening to music
@bloodbathspite you can use internet radio channels like Icecast or so, you can find good music there tho
@triiode i said when i *don't* feel like listening to music lol, i meant sites with stuff like longform videos about interesting topics or something
^yeah, i've only ever heard of Bitview, and i had an account until my video uploads stopped working for some reason
are freetube / other proxies or just downloading stuff from yewchube OK?
as in, pulling up a video on freetube, either watching on FT or getting a link with which to download as mp4 / MP3 for music
Dang I didn't even realise this protest was happening - I'll be keeping clear of YouTube for a while!
@bloodbathspite what about podcasts on apple podcasts? your local public media station's app may have some on-demand podcasts. also some local libraries offer free streaming documentaries and podcasts.
@bloodbathspite i use peertube & vanillo mainly. you could always watch youtube with a proxy/frontend like freetube