Neocities

Reminder to go sign [https://ai-petition.neocities.org/]. You can read what's up on the same page. I still didn't see Kyle define his position on the issue, as well as a clear yes/no on if our pages were scraped for generative ai reasons.

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astrossoundhell visualculture

6 months ago

Nice hardware section! Glad to see another SDIYer and visual synthesist on Neocities. If you ever need help with russian technical translations for front panels, be my guest :D

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visualculture 6 months ago

yes! i was stoked to find your site as well. the panel you are referring to just had english words cast phonetically in cyrillic as an aesthetic choice lol, but it would be better to use actual russian so i will almost definitely take you up on that offer at some point

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astrossoundhell 6 months ago

Added an anti-ai MOTD right below the intro para. It stays until Kyle speaks up in any capacity. We didn't hear shit since this thing went down, which is suspicious to say the least. I need a guarantee he's not scraping my website for another slop machine. Sign and share the fucking petition. Let's get it to over 100 and then start tagging neocities and Kyle himself in places you can tag at.

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astrossoundhell 6 months ago

I see some places started copying their site to nekoweb. While i understand the urge to do that (and copped my username already, too), i think it's important to keep fighting for this place until the end. I also genuinely think Kyle is an intelligent person and is nearly not as dense as Cool Tech CEOs, and may even listen.

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thecozycat 6 months ago

While I understand the frustrations with AI, wouldn't a coding assistant be a good thing for newcomers? People who want to escape the corporate web for more privacy-respecting, liberating alternatives, but don't have the technical knowledge to code from scratch? AI helping folks create a space of their own that's not-for-profit could help bring in a larger demographic.

ai-petition 6 months ago

This "coding assistant" has multiple factors to consider when it comes to it's use. There is the environmental impact, and the quality of the code produced, and the fact that the neocities userbase is one that cherishes the old web.

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ai-petition 6 months ago

A website builder tool would be much better suited for the job then AI. There is no need for AI to be here in the first place and only introduces the chance for worse code on web pages.

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ai-petition 6 months ago

The environmental aspect is something that Kyle has aknowledged in his blog post yet still went through with trying it. Make of that what you will.

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thecozycat 6 months ago

I think that a website builder tool would be really useful. That's something I feel like we could all get behind and doesn't need to integrate AI. Ever used Piczo back in the day? If Kyle wants to expand on ease-of-use web building here, a good free drag-and-drop web builder would be incredible for newcomers who don't know much about coding. :)

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badgraph1csghost 6 months ago

that's def the thing about AI tho-- all these other methods, some of them were used for years or decades, all exist and are time-tested and well documented. but someone keeps selling tech CEOs a bill of goods on AI even though it's patently broken in so many places you'd have to be crazy to use it at all.

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badgraph1csghost 6 months ago

like, obvs the tech sector doesnt give a shit about the environment (hence strip-mining to make microchips) but you seriously have to spend almost 2ce as much time fixing AI mistakes as you would have just writing code from scratch. it's absolutely the dumbest thing to hit tech since 2010.

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astrossoundhell updated auberylis [dot] moe

6 months ago

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astrossoundhell

6 months ago

the Neoities maintainer person Kyle wants to put AI into the code editor. God knows what else AI is going to do - i didn't see any warranty of our sites not to get scraped so far. Read more about that here [https://ai-petition.neocities.org] and sign the petition, please. I don't want one of the last OK places of the internet to fall like that.

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astrossoundhell

6 months ago

So apparently the Neoities maintainer person Kyle wants to put AI into the code editor. God knows what else AI is going to do - i didn't see any warranty of our sites not to get scraped so far. Read more about that here [https://gremlin.nekoweb.org/blog/10-15-24] and sign the petition, please. I don't want one of the last OK places of the internet to fall like that.

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bytemoth 6 months ago

It's not a foolproof anti-scraping solution, but we can use robots.txt (and/or meta name=robots tags) to tell the major cloud LLMs to stay off our sites: https://coryd.dev/posts/2024/go-ahead-and-block-ai-web-crawlers/

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tabbygarf 6 months ago

neocities ai will be trained on making the same sadgrl website template over and over

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astrossoundhell 6 months ago

sure, robots.txt is a must, but it doesn't mean a lot. neocities hosts our sites, the data is already there, they don't need to webscrape in order to train. I want a warranty from Kyle that we're not used as training data.

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badgraph1csghost astrossoundhell

6 months ago

regarding the AI thing gremlin and i have been talking about: it doesn't sound like the Penelope AI is anything more than an analytical engine; sort of an "autocorrect for your code" type of thing. The problem is that KD hasnt said which API Penelope is based on, so there could easily be a corporate datascraper on the other side of it.

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gremlin 6 months ago

I don't know if it is a scraper involved. However the facts of the matter are that Kyle tried at least twice to add "coding assistants" to neocities despite understanding that AI/ML A: Contributes significantly to climate change and B: The neocities crowd is against this kind of stuff, we came here to avoid some the issues that plauge the modern web

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gremlin 6 months ago

C: Kyle has stated on reddit that the plan is only on hold, it could very well still happen

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gremlin 6 months ago

So for the sake of being fair, Kyle acted pretty shady and could have potentially thought about scraping the data or selling it to AI companies to use BUT so far there is no proof of that so thats not what I am saying.

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gremlin 6 months ago

What there is proof of is coding assistants being added to the neocities text editor! These got added under the guise that they help and assist new webdevs HOWEVER the code produced by "coding assistants" is notorious for presenting code that is way more trouble then it's worth. What this will realistically result in is more lower quality web pages that don't function or require more time to fix then code that you-

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gremlin 6 months ago

- could have made yourself

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gremlin 6 months ago

Anyways no, it's was not just autocorrect. When it was functional you would ask it a question, it would give a response based off that question.

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astrossoundhell updated auberylis [dot] moe

7 months ago

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astrossoundhell 7 months ago

Put the new album to the fresh tunes window! [https://elysiantunes.bandcamp.com/album/bad-future-hi-speed-gabba-party] if people are curious

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astrossoundhell

7 months ago

my brain has been occupied by the idea of building a functioning computer out of 74 series logic, no CPU or whatever involved - just for funsies. Which is definitely possible and much easier than a lot of other asinine computer ideas. But even considering that, is it really worth my time?...

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astrossoundhell 7 months ago

Yeah, i know how to make registers and ALU and the control unit etc out of basic logic chips. I can make them. I can make my own assembly language that translates into machine code for that exact abomination. That would be fun! And i know how to do it in good detail! But. WHY exactly would i do it except for to maniacally laugh when it finally works

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badgraph1csghost 7 months ago

what other reason do you need?

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astrossoundhell 7 months ago

Fair enough... just thinking if wasting one of my two action slots per day is worth it. BUT i'm pretty sure it is. I'm teaching this shit at a university, and how dare i, if i never built an actual computer

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astrossoundhell

7 months ago

Listen to my best speedcore album today [https://elysiantunes.bandcamp.com/album/everlasting-thursday]

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badgraph1csghost 7 months ago

mark mothersbaugh would be proud of you (the highest compliment i can think of at the moment)

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astrossoundhell 7 months ago

Thank you so much Tina, i truly appreciate that :'D

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astrossoundhell

8 months ago

been staying away from the website stuff because for some reason i want to delte it recently. i'm not sure why v~v that sux cause i also wanted to start on re-loring elysian tunes

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badgraph1csghost 8 months ago

take care of yourself first. take all the time you need, we'll still be here (>^.^)> ~~<3

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astrossoundhell updated auberylis [dot] moe

8 months ago

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astrossoundhell 8 months ago

AUBERY 1 : SCREENSHOTTER 0! Take that ya robo! Now the screenshots will be clean and fullmode, while new visitors will get a splash and returning visitors will keep their calm mode preference

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astrossoundhell

8 months ago

New tutorial [https://auberylis.moe/webtut/dotslash/] - simple but essential stuff this time

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astrossoundhell updated auberylis [dot] moe

8 months ago

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astrossoundhell 8 months ago

Made a web tutorials index and reformatted the first article. Feedback is much appreciated! I think it reads much better now. Also i decided to keep the styling tame and more groundy than the rest of the site, so papery skeuo it is

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astrossoundhell

8 months ago

Not sure why the screenshotter no longer posts my screenshots... maybe it gave up seeing the same shit over and over? Anyways, there's now a tutorial on menu buttons with color-shifting backgrounds, since i saw like five sites use static images for those; so i decided to show the lighter and more flexible way of CSS.

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astrossoundhell 8 months ago

It's available at [https://auberylis.moe/webtut/buttons/] - but not from any link within the site itself. Check it out if curious and tell me if i have to majorly change something about how i write. I plan on making more web tutorials, so feedback is important

astrossoundhell updated auberylis [dot] moe

8 months ago

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astrossoundhell

8 months ago

reworded the click-to-load thing for the track of the day because apparently loading the bandcamp iframe *does* put three? four? cookies to your browser. They're all either session or less then day-long storage, so the embed stays, it's not asinine. Just something to be addressed.

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astrossoundhell updated auberylis [dot] moe

8 months ago

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astrossoundhell 8 months ago

... i made a greasemonkey script that generates a js array of all the embed iframe text for every track on a given bandcamp page. Why? To make this cool 'daily elysian tunes pick' thing, of course! Based entirely on your set date and five hardcoded prime numbers. Alas, an iframe is an iframe.. so it only loads if you willingly activate it :D

astrossoundhell 8 months ago

also something broke down js wise if you don't plunge up your cache. it's gonna fix itself 24hr since your last visit, but if you wanna be cool and up-to-date, force reload (shift+click reload on furryfox) the page ^w^

astrossoundhell updated auberylis [dot] moe

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