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letslearntogether 2 months ago

A bit of underworld geology eh? The fact that some might see that as an actual system of magick is not too surprising. The death-worship cults have existed throughout most of human history. The altars of worship and the sacrifice rituals might not be as obvious as within previous generations, but they are essentially the same (e.g.: the creation of weapons and the fomenting of war in order to produce mass casualties)

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letslearntogether 2 months ago

That was precisely the type of thing that I was going to mention in reference to your blog post on "pyrodemonism" too. I think the integrative dialectical process that you've noted within Metamodernism is useful in healing some of the ideological rifts that perpetuate "the beast system" on an international scale. Further, I think that recovering the affects of sincerity and kindness is not only possible...

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letslearntogether 2 months ago

...but necessary if we are to survive as a species. I've been trying to heal those same rifts as they play out psychologically within the individual and small groups. This is partly why I had mentioned Logotherapy; it gives a useful insight into how a "will to power" (Nietzsche) can feedback into a "will to pleasure" (Freud) to the point that violence itself is fetishized. "Libidinal investment".

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letslearntogether 2 months ago

There are many dimensions to it, but that seems to be a core mechanism by which death itself is perpetuated across generations (e.g.: myth/history as a form of "hero worship" that gives motive to acts of violence)...There are many other connections that I would like to convey, but doing so in any concise or useful fashion will take some time. Some of it might just sound downright bizarre as well.

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letslearntogether 2 months ago

At the very least, I hope that you've felt the sincerity behind the kindness that I've clumsily attempted to show you throughout my comments here. Despite the darkness that all too clearly envelops this world, I remain ever hopeful and humbly work towards its redemption. Cheers for the help.

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axayacatl 2 months ago

@letslearntogether but why be concerned with the survival of a species? extinction is a promise. im curious as to what human survivalist intend to do in the hypothetical where we somehow break the cycle of extinction that all living things experience. and i'm also curious how the interpretation of our own actions as kind and sincere would thwart this process?

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axayacatl 2 months ago

@letslearntogether while i understand and agree with the sentiment of manufacturing weapons for mass casualties i think there's a more honest perspective looming that it's mostly driven by my own animal desire in living and is an investment in manifesting such. magical systems and animal thinking can be a separate experience

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axayacatl 2 months ago

*of not manufacturing lmfao holy shit

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mental-labour 2 months ago

it's weird as hell but one day if possible i'd like to do a comparative study on the o9a and the TOB's conception of sacrifice to the ancient aztecs since both of these organizations have completely ignored what i consider the most significant form of human sacrifice

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letslearntogether 2 months ago

@axayacatl - This conversation exists within a larger context, but to very broadly address your questions: All people are motivated by their beliefs, even those who claim to have none. Likewise, an action that is interpreted as both kind and sincere by its recipient is always welcome.

letslearntogether 2 months ago

As for me, I will continue to operate under the assumption that all life is precious, including yours little water bug! Please don't be so quick to condemn yourself and everything else to extinction.

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welcome to the Wired, pls accept the EULA, terms and conditions, privacy policy, and unfettered surveillance... nah fk all that. welcome.

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𝚆𝚎 𝚖𝚞𝚜𝚝 𝚋𝚎𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚎 𝚙𝚎𝚛𝚏𝚎𝚌𝚝 𝚋𝚎𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎 𝚕𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍．

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intorpor 3 months ago

«I strive to give back the Divine in myself to the Divine in the All.» These were presumably Plotinus' last words.

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letslearntogether 2 months ago

I myself am far from perfect, but sincerely striving to ease the burdens of others in constructive ways is worthwhile. Amen to the Plotinus quote.

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daliwali 2 months ago

it is interesting that Plotinus wrote a tract "Against the Gnostics", but I had actually quoted from Barnstone's translation of the Gospel of Philip, a Gnostic scripture.

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i went to go see my reverend get ordained as a priest today i was so proud

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daliwali 3 months ago

:'D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjFt725m7lY

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Lol! The spirits are having a breakdance battle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTv4mtoYmd8

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lotus-cube 3 months ago

"Spiritual revolution" Dangerous phrasing ;D. As to forgiveness, you're only peaceful if you have the capacity for violence, otherwise you're just pathetic.

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daliwali 3 months ago

@lotus-cube the russian band Кино first performed "Хочу перемен" (I want changes!) in 1986, about changing one's own heart. the soviet union collapsed in 1991.

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koilwood 3 months ago

Very nicely written. I agree with so many of the things you spoke about, especially that we have been inclined to non-action regardless of how strongly we feel. There is a sort of soft manipulation that hides like a ghost in the online world, changing even the most seemingly intelligent of people into drones.

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letslearntogether 3 months ago

That is why "absolute power corrupts absolutely." Stacking symbolic abstractions on top of one another can divorce perceptions from reality to the point where any action can be "justified". We must be careful with pride. There are limits to knowledge in that another's personal experience does not have a 1-to-1 correspondence to one's own.

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letslearntogether 3 months ago

Forgiveness is not to acquiescence to injustice out of fear, and thus condone evil passively. It is to not allow oneself to be controlled by the ways in which one has been hurt, to voluntarily choose to heal. How many truly want peace? Or do they harbor vengence in their heart and simply want to trade places with a tyrant?

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letslearntogether 3 months ago

The key is how we choose to apply our own will moment-by-moment. All black magick is an imposition of one's will upon another, specifically to derive some sense of "power", whether it take on the form of active violence or passive manipulation.

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letslearntogether 3 months ago

However, each of our choices affects others, whether we are aware of the impact or not. If we have any sense of conscience whatsoever, as we learn of those impacts, we revise our methods to make them less harmful to others.

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letslearntogether 3 months ago

True Justice is restorative, not punitive. It does not fall victim to "The Myth of Redemptive Violence" that acts to perpetuate violence itself. Likewise, True Mercy is not being a sycophant. There is a careful balance between individual rights and collective responsibilities. [*compare "legalism" with "hypergrace"]

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letslearntogether 3 months ago

...I should also mention that, while there is quite a bit of nuance, I find "satan" = "demiurge" to be a helpful interpretation. What spirit rules the world and how? (Matthew 4:8-9)

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letslearntogether 3 months ago

Ultimately, I believe that there is a fundamental "error" that has crept into the perception of humanity at the dawn of our existence, like the "three poisons" within the "wheel of samsara" that we talked about before.

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letslearntogether 3 months ago

See: https://letslearntogether.neocities.org/scispirit/Sexuality/relation01 particularly the last two sections "Hope For Healing On A Fundamental Level" and "Psychosocial Neurobiology".

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