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oh, right, about Kyle's AI post. Honestly, I'm thinking it's being blown out of proportion, while being in support of GenAI is pretty bad in itself, none of that support has translated into neocities getting such features as of now, and it's been about a year since that post was made. My thoughts on GenAI is that it sucks, but I don't think this manifesto means the end of Neocities as a whole (+)
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maehat 9 months ago

or that it's becoming a platform for AI stuff. Rather it's just Kyle giving his thoughts on AI as a whole. I don't think this is anything special or neocities' doom. Still gonna host the HATsite here.

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badgraph1csghost 9 months ago

I looked in the terms of service for any mention of generative AI or large language models and it's just not there. so like. yeah.

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onlywonder 9 months ago

there was the April Fools thing, but other than that yeah, it's probably nothing to worry about

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Hey! just wanted to say thanks for the follow and your website looks great!
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maehat 9 months ago

This makes up OCTOBER's HATsite update! While working on the Battle Network shrine I did a bunch of other changes to the site that I felt should be published on their own. Almost every page has been changed in some way, even if just slightly! Also fixed some issues I found while looking at the code.

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I noticed something, the last person to make a comment on 123guestbook before that service shut down, has Durant as a last name, as the name the user signed under. This seems intriguing because there's also a guy named William C. Durant who founded car company General Motors. More will be explained in a comment I'll make below this one.
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empeethree 9 months ago

anyway, my reason for bringing up General Motors, or GM as it's also known under, is because they acquired a car company called Chevrolet long long ago, and well, the founder, Louis Chevrolet had a wife named Suzanne, so this somehow contributes to the synchronicity. And not to mention, Cadillac is also part of GM, and its named after a historical figure who passed away on Suzanne Somers' birthday.

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empeethree 9 months ago

It really caught me off-guard when I noticed so many coincidental things, and all this Suzanne synchronicity even stretches into masculine things like cars, even though it's traditionally a women's first name. So, that's a testament to how it CARRES LOTS OF WEIGHT. when any references to it pop up.

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At first making your own HTML page might seem fun and exciting, but then, it becomes OVERWHELMING when the page keeps getting new items added to it. It's so overwhelming, that's why I have been doing fewer updates in recent times.
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catarinha 9 months ago

your pages make me happy

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empeethree 9 months ago

I can imagine, but sometimes you might end up with repeats of same-old-same-old when the webmaster runs out of ideas, and is OVERWHELMED after several HTML page revisions. I guess lots of events often interfere with our hobby, especially IRL ones.

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Ah, tragedy strikes in these lands... AI *can* have some benefit to daily life, but never in artistic fields. Using AI to create art is going to completely kill creativity for the individual and for society as whole. “After all, why should I think and spend time creating a story/ art, when I can just type some prompts on a website and be done with it.”
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puddingpudds 9 months ago

It’s a terrible and depressing mindset to have that will become all more prevalent, specially when it’s embraced with open arms. Treating art as “something to get over and done with it” rather than “something hard to do but very rewarding” it’s basically saying that you don’t care about the creative process of art, you just care about the results, money and fame from it.

puddingpudds 9 months ago

That’s not even mentioning the constant stealing, scraping and violations these AI developers have to do to make and sell their products.

puddingpudds 9 months ago

So, Stewart Brand’s PC argument and AI are not the same thing, Kyle. One you use as a tool to make your creative projects and develop your skills, the other is a cheat code for mediocrity with no difficulty or skill to develop. One benefits the user and gives them tools to pursue their creativity, the other spews out the same trash that is controlled by their corporations.

puddingpudds 9 months ago

With that being said, I’ll be going forward with my plans of moving to Nekoweb. I don’t want my code, writing or art to be fed to a machine without my consent or control because you got a handsome offer from these thieves. Don’t get me wrong, I’m far from amazing at any of those 3 things, but they still hold a lot of value to me, because you know, I spent a lot of time making it.

puddingpudds 9 months ago

I’ll still hangout here and talk to the wonderful people I had the pleasure to meet here during these 2 years, but I’ll no longer be paying for Neocities services or hosting files here. It’s gonna be a long process to move everything, especially for me who has never even tried such a thing and is completely oblivious to many obvious things! But it’s for the better.

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miela583 9 months ago

There would still be work to be done with it, but I think the "download entire site" option in the editor would help moving a lot. You'd still have to change all the links, but I've looked at mine after weekly backups and thought it seemed pretty doable.

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puddingpudds 9 months ago

I tried using the "downloading entire site" option but only butchered the website files, usually downloading only like, 30% of everything and stopping right after, due to my website being a little toooo big. I used the “Mount to Computer” feature to download everything, which worked pretty well. But changing all the links and stuff will take quite the long time…

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crackworths 9 months ago

What the fuck did Kyle do now?

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puddingpudds 9 months ago

@crackworths Kyle made a dissertation about how we should embrace AI with open arms like we embraced PCs back in the day and expressed support towards generative AI. Saying that it is a tool to help with creativity, which I disagree with heavily in both principle and the current execution (all the stealing, scraping and stuff).

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crackworths 9 months ago

Kyle really wants to break the trust of half of Neocities' users huh?

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you got almost 6 MILLION VIEWS!!!!!! But, I can at least say that I'm HALFWAY TO ONE MILLION.
dann 9 months ago

Getting there slowly

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empeethree 9 months ago

My SEFY site has had some changes over time. It first started off as an alternative to the dying YTMND website, then it became a Matrix zone of wackiness, now it's a showcase of old computers with a hybrid of Windows 95 and Windows 3.1 aesthetics. I plan to post some QBasic code on it one day, since I've been tinkering with QBasic lately.

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https://www.w3schools.com/html/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml_default_default Sometimes I use that W3schools website for testing HTML edits, it's a useful tool for customizing HTML pages.

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