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hard ticket to hawaii pwns
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dreamcult's avatar dreamcult 2 weeks ago

let's hit the jacuzzi

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i'm smiling looking at this page
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oh my God your site is so cool and fun I LOVE IT SO MUCHH
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regarding lossless compression: Why do you think pngs should be converted to webp? I've made a png compression program and have found pngs to be consistently smaller if compressed well. jxl is best, but theres unfortunately no browser support yet
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goofyahhbingus's avatar goofyahhbingus 6 months ago

Well, in my tests I've gotten the opposite results, WEBPs being consistently smaller than PNGs. That's quite strange... Could you give me more info on how you compress PNGs? I'm rather curious about it!

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goofyahhbingus's avatar goofyahhbingus 6 months ago

Oh also some context on my workflow: I save images as PNG, compress them using Minuimus.pl, then I convert them to WEBP using libwebp (command being: cwebp -q 100 -lossless "[file]").

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skullmund's avatar skullmund 6 months ago

i run optipng pngout and deflopt, theyre all lossless and pretty fast, makes for a small image already. then to shave off a few more bytes i run my own code which (somewhat brute-force) tries to find even better filter combinations / palette order / bit depth (8 might compress better than lower numbers, strange but true) and deflate with zopfli. i'll release it eventually but right now it only "works on my machine"

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goofyahhbingus's avatar goofyahhbingus 6 months ago

Oh nice, that's interesting. If I'm not mistaken Minuimus.pl internally uses pngout and optipng only. I'll have to check deflopt and zopfli now! And I can't wait for your code release, hoping it'll be open sorce! :))))

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skullmund's avatar skullmund 6 months ago

i just downloaded libwebp and have to say, webp compresses a lot better now than im used to. some are actually smaller as webps now but the differences are only about 1-5% either way

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skullmund's avatar skullmund 6 months ago

i quickly tested 5 files: png is 109.742 bytes total and webp 108.946 although 3 out of 5 files are smaller as pngs. but tbfh the webp compression is nicer and faster

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skullmund's avatar skullmund 6 months ago

also tried jxl with the same 5 images and while it performs best on 3/5 images leaving 1/5 for png and 1/5 for webp, it actually has the highest total size because it messes up on the largest image (116.765). so from my quick test they all perform well and theres no clear winner

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skullmund's avatar skullmund 6 months ago

having the sizes be so similar makes me wonder which decodes fastest

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goofyahhbingus's avatar goofyahhbingus 6 months ago

I've also done a few tests myself using your method, and I did get a few PNGs that were better compressed than WEBPs. Maybe it's the way the images' pixels themselves are structured that decides it? Compression sure works in mysterious ways... :)))

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skullmund's avatar skullmund 6 months ago

idk about the other formats but png applies filters to image rows before compressing with zlib. both steps are non-deterministic to get the optimal result, which is both the fun and the pain of png. heres a simple explanation if youre interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFUYNoFRHQI

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the link to the ruined map links to fell delivery instead (which ive played its cool) could you update the link?
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adornesibley's avatar adornesibley 6 months ago

Updated! Thank you for bringing it to my attention. 🎵

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just played the tiny tek map and it pwns big time. loved all of it, favourite bit is the arena where you can flank the cacodemons by abusing the fucked up spacetime
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adornesibley's avatar adornesibley 7 months ago

Oh my goodness! I'm so glad you enjoyed it~ I had such a blast messing about with portals in that level. XD You're the only person I know who took advantage of the weirdness with AI tracking and portals. I am so honoured that you took the time to play through my level. I'm a huge fan of your site~

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adornesibley's avatar adornesibley 7 months ago

Oh my god I just realized I forgot to put you on my neighbors!!!

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BRO OH MY FUCKING GOD I LOVE YOUR SITE
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skullmund's avatar skullmund 7 months ago

hell yea bruda

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I'm so honored you followed. Your site is a nightmare. <3
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