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cidoku

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People should write more articles as dialogues

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ongezell 1 year ago

Like Hunter S. Thompson?

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cidoku 1 year ago

Kinda but not necessarily. I was thinking more in the style of old books that made up a conversation between two or more fictional characters (e.g. a teacher and student) to communicate the thesis of the work. Think Platonic dialogues.

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cidoku 1 year ago

The other day I was reading a book on heraldry from around the 16th century and it was interesting in that it taught the subject in form of a dialogue between three dudes. The book "Surreal Numbers" by Conway is a math book written as a conversation between a guy and his gf who find a weird inscription on a rock while on vacation and try to decipher it.

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cidoku 1 year ago

"Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata" by Ørberg, a Latin language learning book, has many chapters written as dialogues too. It teaches you latin by following the story of a roman family and their slaves, lol.

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cidoku 1 year ago

And I remember at least one japanese (travel?) blog in which the author made up a few characters who discussed his whereabouts. Fun stuff. It's difficult, but more people should do it.

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saint-images 1 year ago

It's Alf's Room! A true Internet legend and a punk in the best sense of this word https://alf-s-room.com/etc/nandarou/mdwalkman/index.htm

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cidoku 1 year ago

That's the one! I couldn't recall the exact name. Thank you.

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angeleyesprings 1 year ago

I've been having similar thoughts on this subject. I don't agree with 100% of your takes... but I'm also concerned about where this is going. It kind of reminds me of crochet vs knitted pieces in a way. Crochet cannot be done by machine whereas knit obviously can. But both have so much value when lovingly crafted by human hands.

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angeleyesprings 1 year ago

I'm also concerned about everything online becoming unverifiable, and AI flooding every site / search machine with slop (which is already happening). Tricky and nuanced subject.

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ongezell 1 year ago

Tbh, AI is just one of the symptons of late stage capitalism, even if AI wasn't a thing, shit had already hit the fan years ago. AI is just being used to replace people in sweatshops (mind you, not 100% yet because they still are still incapable of not producing slop)

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ongezell 1 year ago

Also, I don't agree with the AI thing being indistinguishable from an actual human made art, 9.99 out of 10, AI art will be slop, maybe, high quality slop, still SLOP. AI art is just aalgorithms consuming and regurgitating art that already exists. you can pretty much and I kid you not distinguish art made by AI to art made by a human. at least if you are a artist yourself.

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ongezell 1 year ago

Mega corporations will use whatever slop they can get to get those few cents of profit tho, it doesn't even need to look good. so looking realistic or passable isn't even a problem

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cidoku 1 year ago

@amy I'm aware of that and while it's true that it's a cause for concern, search engines being flooded with slop has been a thing since SEO's been a thing (obligatory thanks g**gle for ruining the internet), and the damage can't be repaired. That's why I didn't mention it.

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cidoku 1 year ago

@ongezell I'm not sure if it's 100% distinguishable. Yes, slop is slop no matter what, but with some slight taste you CAN generate stuff that looks legit. It's fortunate that most people who generate art aren't artists, and most importantly, have no taste.

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cidoku 1 year ago

@ongezell but here's the thing: most people aren't artists, so slop WILL end up winning out as it becomes easier to produce and especially more profitable to produce. "Consumers" don't care as long as it looks alright, and no creator will want or be able to compete against the endless, almost oppresive amount of slop! Unless... they prevail?

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cidoku 1 year ago

@ongezell then again I only have in mind people who do art for a living. Hobbyists will just keep on truckin no matter what since they don't depend on it.

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ongezell 1 year ago

My point is, AI is a symptom not a cause. I don't actually believe AI is that much of a threat to Us, the threat is in the hands of those developing it. I honestly don't see AI endangering us more than any of the existing average suspects (mega corporations) that being said I honestly don't believe AI will get better than this too honestly.

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ongezell 1 year ago

If you take a notice on all the AI technology being produced, it's honestly just a fancy search engine at best and even then it can get pretty bad, just look at google and chat gpt with their products. ChatGPT is hot garbage when it comes to anything that is actually just a little bit complicated, gemini? lmao Not to mention the amount of energy this shit consumes

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ongezell 1 year ago

I don't know how to describe it but everything about AI is just so pathetic to me it doesn't even makes me worried.

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cidoku 1 year ago

I do agree AI is a symptom of this lovely anti-human illness we have as a society. As for generative AIs being crap, I would tread with care. There's no way that what they show us is the best there is. Oh, also, I didn't want to mention the energy usage argument because it's always tackled to the end as an afterthought, never the main argument against this stuff.

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rbuchanan 1 year ago

You may have erred in assuming that one of several functional corollaries fatalistically determines an essence of technology. We can't know whether AI is a truly effective succedaneum for human intelligence until it produces genuinely substantive works. At present, its imitative faculties are superficially applied without any profundity of style or substance.

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rbuchanan 1 year ago

Ongezell observes that most AI is slop; I'd contend that one of many reasons why is that those who opt to use it professionally (whether mendaciously or otherwise) are perforce uninspired. It's an easy means. I'll always collaborate with human artists because no AI can illustrate my stories satisfactorily. In that regard, I am by no means special.

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cidoku 1 year ago

@rbuchanan you're right in that my wording implies that I determine the essence of technology from AI; this is not so. I meant it more generally; AI is not the first or the last in a long series of anti-human technologies. As ongezell mentioned, AI is just another symptom, but not the cause.

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sorbier mikegrindle

1 year ago

heya, i remember you posted something about robots.txt earlier -- that's mostly a convention with no guarantee anyone on the web will follow it. you can request x-bot not to crawl your site but they still can if they want to.

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sorbier 1 year ago

i'm sure you already know! but i just wanted to leave the note! openai seems to be ignoring it for example: https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-anthropic-ai-ignore-rule-scraping-web-contect-robotstxt

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colexdev 1 year ago

Yeah it is very unfortunate that they will not follow it. I know this doesn't apply to neocities, but for people that host their own sites I recently heard cloudflare released a feature to block AI bots.

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mikegrindle 1 year ago

Absolutely, all the robots file does is state that you do not consent - whether companies listen to that (often, they don't) is another matter. I think it's worth doing, but I didn't mean to create a false sense of security.

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area-51 vammie

1 year ago

Always nice to add a new Doctor Who site to Area 51! Welcome. Wish you had a link button we could use.

mikegrindle nohappynonsense

1 year ago

I don't know if I've explicitly told you before, so I'll say it now: your writing is damn good Mr V. Enjoyed the new story too

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nohappynonsense 1 year ago

Hey Grindy - thanks for that. It means a lot, especially coming from you.

nohappynonsense 1 year ago

Your writing is more than just good (it is good though, let's be clear,) but it's also useful in a way that I find extremely meaningful. I was thinking how to sum up your mix of tech, creativity, slow lifestyle writing and the best thing I've come up with so far is "Quietly Important."

nohappynonsense 1 year ago

These topics aren't these large scope things that a lot of writers cover off with platitudes and lots of evergreen nonsense about living a more meaningful life; your writing is the antithesis to that. Small and actionable things that make slow but long-lasting change in the way one thinks and acts.

nohappynonsense 1 year ago

Your "can your site fit on a floppy" article made me re-think my entire site design and ultimately made me into a better dev when I pushed myself to lower my site size as radically as possible without losing functionality. So, thank you, Grinds. Your work is quietly important, at least to me.

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mikegrindle 1 year ago

"Quietly important" has to be nicest genuine thing someone has said about my writing. Really appreciate that coming from you.

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dc-blog 1 year ago

The moment I'm 18, I'm putting "DNI If You're Under 18".

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satyrwoud 1 year ago

Back in my day we pretended to be 32-year-old nerds with jobs on the internet as kids and we *liked* it! :triumph:

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drawcia 1 year ago

^ Real, for the longest time I pretended to be +18 on the petsites I used to frequent because everyone else were adults lmao. On the following sites by minors, I guess it depends on the kind of site. I don't like associating with them, but if the site is impersonal (ie a portfolio, purely informative on a series, etc) I don't see much of a problem.

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cidoku 1 year ago

Yeah! I also lied about my age back then. Maybe kids don't care too much about it now since they were never taught to protect their identities to the extent we were, if at all.

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cidoku 1 year ago

@drawcia Sadly the sites I ended up following are personal. I don't think I'll unfollow them, because they seem "sane" enough, but I'll tread with care.

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ongezell 1 year ago

I wasn't expecting so many kids to be making their own websites here but there's a surprising amount of them

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satyrwoud 1 year ago

@ongezell I’ll be honest and say i was 13 when i first made my site — it’s a fun creative outlet that doesn’t need you to spend your pocket money on anything. (Then again, i had the sense not to put my entire medical history and personal details on there… 20YOWebmasterShakesFistAtCloud.webp)

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ongezell 1 year ago

I was too, but I guess at the time I was around adults way more than people my age lol here it seems that there's significantly more teens?

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cidoku 1 year ago

Well, I think it's good that they're making sites, anyway. They're willing to put in the effort to do so. Yeah, kids aren't stupid.

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rbuchanan 1 year ago

I'm among the oldest people known to me on this site, I'm indifferent to the ages of other users, and I'm not passing any baton to anyone because I'm going to outlive most, if not all of you.

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cidoku 1 year ago

@rbuchanan Be my guest. I'm content in my finitude.

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