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id like to eventually apply to the directory, but i still have some work to do on my site ^^;
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pinkvampyr's avatar pinkvampyr 2 years ago

I'll be waiting when youre ready! I'd love to to have your site join ๐Ÿ˜Š

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I think some people still haven't seen them, but there are buttons for the directory you can add to your site once you've been accepted! on the site preview they're on the home page but actually they're on the join page now I believe.
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forgot to add the update here but a couple of new websites have been added to the directory! make sure to subscribe to the rss feed for all the updates in more detail โ™ก
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pinkvampyr's avatar pinkvampyr 2 years ago

I'm sometimes a little too exhausted to remember to update both the rss and the page ๐Ÿ˜… apologies

so after reading over that article again it seems chrome's reader mode is beyond subpar on top of being hard to enable :^/ If you need to see reader mode either to actually use or just to test it out I'd recommend using Firefox, even just as a backup.
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as things stand right now there won't be an accessnet discord server, I don't have the time or energy to moderate one and frankly I've seen one too many cool projects go downhill because of strife in discord communities. it's just not something I'm interested in ^^;
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pinkvampyr's avatar pinkvampyr 2 years ago

got asked about this so I figured I'd answer it here

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owlroost's avatar owlroost 2 years ago

That's more than fair! I've been a server admin before and it really is a massive undertaking that goes wrong quickly.

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added a new link under the "articles, essays, and blog posts" section of the resources page. โ€œOn mobile phones, the small web, and able-bodied privilegeโ€ by whiona here on neocities. says a lot of the things i've been wanting to say from the perspective of someone actually affected by it. go give it a read!
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another tip: consider adding a splash page/landing page to your website to let people know about any content warnings as well as if they need to have javascript enabled to use any accessibility features ^^
pinkvampyr's avatar pinkvampyr 2 years ago

many people (such as myself) often have JavaScript disabled by default, so it's nice to know if I'm gonna need to turn it on to be able to pause gifs/change layout/etc.

debtdeath's avatar debtdeath 2 years ago

curious, what's the reason for disabling js by default? im pretty pro-js (probs also bc i make browser games and js is often a backbone for that) and i dont really understand the aversion

jasm1nii's avatar jasm1nii 2 years ago

as a pro-JS person, i think the main issue is with privacy and security, since JS can is also used for tracking visitors if a webmaster has analytics enabled; CDNs also collect user data from the sites they're installed on. and if the CDN is ever compromised, that also poses a risk to every site running those scripts.

jasm1nii's avatar jasm1nii 2 years ago

of course, this can be mitigated by setting the appropriate security headers and hashes, but this isn't common knowledge for a lot of people, let alone novice web devs.

pinkvampyr's avatar pinkvampyr 2 years ago

pretty much what Jasmine said! I often forget to turn JS on for individual sites so it's a nice reminder, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'm okay turning it on as long as I feel the site is safe or it has features that require JavaScript to function

pinkvampyr's avatar pinkvampyr 2 years ago

of course I would say people with things like photosensitivity may feel like they can't afford to turn off JavaScript because of things like that, but I think it's just a nice to have just in case you know :^)

pixelglade's avatar pixelglade 2 years ago

The noscript tag can let you inform users if JavaScript is required on a page

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qrunchysnaq's avatar qrunchysnaq 2 years ago

I've been considering implementing a splash page, even though I don't love them personally. This is a good argument for doing so since I use JS for major features that I don't know how to code without it. Thanks for the tip!

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New updates! https://accessiblenet.neocities.org/feed.xml Added a new guideline as well so please make sure to give the guideline another look after you read the update.
tip: in most cases, it's better to give people the option to turn something on rather than have it be on by default and giving people the option to turn it off. things like VHS filters that can cause eyestrain, autoplay, or quickly moving images, they're best turned off by default so a person doesn't have to spend any more time with it on while searching for how to turn it off
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pinkvampyr's avatar pinkvampyr 2 years ago

think about it: if you go on a website that's giving you a headache, would you rather search the whole page for the off button or just leave? this is expecially true in case where it could cause people health problems like migraines or seizures!

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pinkvampyr's avatar pinkvampyr 2 years ago

adding to the guidelines as well but thought I'd mention it here first!

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don't have much mental energy to update the directory at the moment, apologies
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pinkvampyr's avatar pinkvampyr 2 years ago

I have some things I need to add and fix but I am very exhausted

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forgot to put it on the form page but once you join the directory please take one of the buttons to place somewhere on your site! I won't enforce it but it can help other people find our directory ๐Ÿ˜Š
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pixelglade's avatar pixelglade 2 years ago

I added the button to my homepage!

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PSA to anyone using cbox on their sites: keyboard users can get stuck in the chat message box! consider using something like https://ishoutbox.com/ instead
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solaria's avatar solaria 2 years ago

ill check this out - i currently use a link to let users skip the cbox bc i noticed this as well

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a11y part 2
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would people like if I made updates when new sites are added to the directory? note: this is directed towards people who will be using the directory to find indie websites
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Set up an RSS feed! https://accessiblenet.neocities.org/feed.xml I'll try to post updates here too but you'll see them more reliably in the feed most likely, so I'd recommend subscribing!
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btw for the alt text section, i dont think `alt="null"` works for purely decorative images. trying it in firefox with narrator, and it announces it literally as "null" instead of ignoring it.
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jasm1nii's avatar jasm1nii 2 years ago

yeah, for purely decorative images, alt="" (without any content between the quotation marks) is sufficient

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pinkvampyr's avatar pinkvampyr 2 years ago

I read something by someone with low vision saying that an empty alt tag made them think the person had just forgotten to leave an alt tag, while a null tag let them know it was something unimportant :0

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jasm1nii's avatar jasm1nii 2 years ago

alt="" *is* the null attribute? leaving it blank would mean not tacking on the alt attribute in the first place.

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jasm1nii's avatar jasm1nii 2 years ago

i think this post was written for people posting on social media platforms that provide an alt text field (in other words, sites that aren't handcoded) - that's where writing "null" would make sense.

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pinkvampyr's avatar pinkvampyr 2 years ago

for the record that source was recommended to me, so I apologize if it turned out not to be what most people use!

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hiii I'm the admin for accessible net! if you have any questions or comments I'll try to get to them here!
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justfluffingaround's avatar justfluffingaround 2 years ago

Here are 2 accessibility things I've learned over the years: Max line length for reading should be 55 to 66 characters including spaces. 2) Large blocks of text are hard to read for many disabilities and general readers, good rule of thumb is 4-6 lines or 4-5 sentences long to give eyes reading breaks.

justfluffingaround's avatar justfluffingaround 2 years ago

Hyperlinks should always describe what they are clicking since screen readers often jump to links to navigate the page. Instead the link saying something like "click here" it should describe where the link is going like the title of the article or webpage or the purpose of the link like "how to code my accessible layout here".

justfluffingaround's avatar justfluffingaround 2 years ago

Using bolds and italics sparingly is indeed good to avoid eyestrain or migraines for readers, but using headings or bolds before different sections of your articles/posts can be helpful for navigation of screen readers (they can jump to html eadings just like they can links), scan reading, and breaking up the paragraphs in described chunks.

pinkvampyr's avatar pinkvampyr 2 years ago

Thank you! Most of these are things I knew but totally forgot to add ๐Ÿ˜… typical me

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