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Reminder to go sign [https://ai-petition.neocities.org/]. You can read what's up on the same page. I still didn't see Kyle define his position on the issue, as well as a clear yes/no on if our pages were scraped for generative ai reasons.
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ur bandcamp is such a vibeee
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tfpxe 3 weeks ago

thank you!

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Nice hardware section! Glad to see another SDIYer and visual synthesist on Neocities. If you ever need help with russian technical translations for front panels, be my guest :D
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visualculture 1 month ago

yes! i was stoked to find your site as well. the panel you are referring to just had english words cast phonetically in cyrillic as an aesthetic choice lol, but it would be better to use actual russian so i will almost definitely take you up on that offer at some point

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astrossoundhell 1 month ago

Added an anti-ai MOTD right below the intro para. It stays until Kyle speaks up in any capacity. We didn't hear shit since this thing went down, which is suspicious to say the least. I need a guarantee he's not scraping my website for another slop machine. Sign and share the fucking petition. Let's get it to over 100 and then start tagging neocities and Kyle himself in places you can tag at.

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astrossoundhell 1 month ago

I see some places started copying their site to nekoweb. While i understand the urge to do that (and copped my username already, too), i think it's important to keep fighting for this place until the end. I also genuinely think Kyle is an intelligent person and is nearly not as dense as Cool Tech CEOs, and may even listen.

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thecozycat 1 month ago

While I understand the frustrations with AI, wouldn't a coding assistant be a good thing for newcomers? People who want to escape the corporate web for more privacy-respecting, liberating alternatives, but don't have the technical knowledge to code from scratch? AI helping folks create a space of their own that's not-for-profit could help bring in a larger demographic.

ai-petition 1 month ago

This "coding assistant" has multiple factors to consider when it comes to it's use. There is the environmental impact, and the quality of the code produced, and the fact that the neocities userbase is one that cherishes the old web.

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ai-petition 1 month ago

A website builder tool would be much better suited for the job then AI. There is no need for AI to be here in the first place and only introduces the chance for worse code on web pages.

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ai-petition 1 month ago

The environmental aspect is something that Kyle has aknowledged in his blog post yet still went through with trying it. Make of that what you will.

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thecozycat 1 month ago

I think that a website builder tool would be really useful. That's something I feel like we could all get behind and doesn't need to integrate AI. Ever used Piczo back in the day? If Kyle wants to expand on ease-of-use web building here, a good free drag-and-drop web builder would be incredible for newcomers who don't know much about coding. :)

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badgraph1csghost 1 month ago

that's def the thing about AI tho-- all these other methods, some of them were used for years or decades, all exist and are time-tested and well documented. but someone keeps selling tech CEOs a bill of goods on AI even though it's patently broken in so many places you'd have to be crazy to use it at all.

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badgraph1csghost 1 month ago

like, obvs the tech sector doesnt give a shit about the environment (hence strip-mining to make microchips) but you seriously have to spend almost 2ce as much time fixing AI mistakes as you would have just writing code from scratch. it's absolutely the dumbest thing to hit tech since 2010.

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giantghost 1 month ago

What a look! Wow!

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tfpxe 1 month ago

thank you!

the Neoities maintainer person Kyle wants to put AI into the code editor. God knows what else AI is going to do - i didn't see any warranty of our sites not to get scraped so far. Read more about that here [https://ai-petition.neocities.org] and sign the petition, please. I don't want one of the last OK places of the internet to fall like that.
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So apparently the Neoities maintainer person Kyle wants to put AI into the code editor. God knows what else AI is going to do - i didn't see any warranty of our sites not to get scraped so far. Read more about that here [https://gremlin.nekoweb.org/blog/10-15-24] and sign the petition, please. I don't want one of the last OK places of the internet to fall like that.
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bytemoth 1 month ago

It's not a foolproof anti-scraping solution, but we can use robots.txt (and/or meta name=robots tags) to tell the major cloud LLMs to stay off our sites: https://coryd.dev/posts/2024/go-ahead-and-block-ai-web-crawlers/

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tabbygarf 1 month ago

neocities ai will be trained on making the same sadgrl website template over and over

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astrossoundhell 1 month ago

sure, robots.txt is a must, but it doesn't mean a lot. neocities hosts our sites, the data is already there, they don't need to webscrape in order to train. I want a warranty from Kyle that we're not used as training data.

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