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I've been thinking up some thoughts on websites, particularly common bad web design practice I see around and/or Neocities culture I'm peeved by, and what I believe people should do instead. I'm wondering how I should make it into a page without coming off as mean-spirited, because it *is* genuine.
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mouseling's avatar mouseling 4 months ago

In particular: "Website is best on X" means it is bad on everything except for X. Forcing autoplay consent via a splash is bad. (Most splash pages are useless.) Absolute positioning relative to multiple points on the screen is bad; not everyone has the same resolution or scale. *Only* linking to websites if they have buttons and making pretty homepages with zero content are both common unideal habits.

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mouseling's avatar mouseling 4 months ago

It doesn't have to be perfect (just look at my site on a phone!) but forcing HTML to be completely unusable on mobile is bad. It's naturally responsive. Using % units for sizing content is almost always bad. That one layout builder that *requires JavaScript to even load the layout* is unimaginably awful. I've definitely got more but I've got to save it for the actual page!

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barndoors's avatar barndoors 4 months ago

please send me your writing(s) if you don't post! would love to read about it

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mouseling's avatar mouseling 4 months ago

@barndoors I'll definitely get it up on my site someday! It's just a matter of framing, I think. I don't want to look like I'm telling you what to do, for example, so I need to lay out my thoughts and then work on phrasing them nicely... LOL.

texaskissrhinestone's avatar texaskissrhinestone 4 months ago

Don't forget about the images that block any site content because people weren't taught {pointer-events:none;}

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mouseling's avatar mouseling 4 months ago

@0ekekddddd yes! Also, Catbox and Filegarden. Full stop.

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texaskissrhinestone's avatar texaskissrhinestone 4 months ago

Or or or when artists don't make alternate thumbnails on their sites for pieces, so you can see the entire 3000px image along with 10 to 20 of them load at the same time. Happens with flavor images too

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ancientcrypt's avatar ancientcrypt 4 months ago

filegarden and catbox are stupid for filehosting on neocities but i see it so much. oh my god. and also the epidemic of websites with nothing to say

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mouseling's avatar mouseling 4 months ago

(I guess that if anyone reading this has other pet peeves they'd like me to touch on, they're free to drop it here.)

tojisworld's avatar tojisworld 4 months ago

I had an idea 20 years ago for reviewing anime fansites based on a site that reviewed Dragonball fansites. Unfortunately the idea came about a little too late was the age of the anime fansite was dying out by then.

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hazure03's avatar hazure03 4 months ago

I'd be interested to read this! I'm in a rut sit-wise and I think a good refresh would be nice and I'd like to know some better changes I could make :)

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nobodylovesme's avatar nobodylovesme 4 months ago

Pleeeease post it, I have many small web pet peeves and I need to know I'm not alone in this world lol

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sakana's avatar sakana 4 months ago

Guilty of "button wall" (so I don't end up linking back anyone who doesn't have a button to add) and I'm also not exactly sure what my site looks like on mobile. I almost exclusively use my desktop PC for everything.

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allyratworld's avatar allyratworld 4 months ago

i... actually didn't know using % for sizing was bad :'D

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mouseling's avatar mouseling 4 months ago

@allyratworld I wrote "almost always bad" but I'm a chronic exaggerator. It doesn't help that I miswrote the word "content" instead of "layout". It's not bad in the proper contexts, for example I used it to limit image sizes and make text smaller, but over-relying on % units for your *layout* (relative to the screen) can certainly be a bad choice depending on the page!

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mouseling's avatar mouseling 4 months ago

@allyratworld I used to have a website where all the main content was 90% width. Using this example, on a super-wide screen like a serious gamer might have, your content is going to be very wide and look sparse. On a phone, things will be annoying to navigate. A better unit to use would, for example, be em (naturally responsive!) or px (not best but good especially if graphic-reliant... & my eternal habit either way)

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hardmachine's avatar hardmachine 4 months ago

I think it'd be worth posting. If someone finds it insulting they skip past it, those pages frankly helped me when I was starting out.

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heart143's avatar heart143 4 months ago

I think my site looks fine on small screens according to firefox's responsive design mode, but then I check it on my phone and it's the ugliest thing I've ever seen >_> I think providing solutions or better alternatives will make this page really helpful and less mean. also websites with nothing to say are ok. why police the contents of a site?

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mouseling's avatar mouseling 4 months ago

@heart143 Of course websites with nothing to say are fine; they aren't hurting anyone. I'm not policing that. Websites with nothing to say also don't get visitors after a certain point, and visitors are what many people want. Of course, everybody's metric of what makes a good website will be different, but I prioritise interesting content which obviously informs my own opinions.

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wraithcastle's avatar wraithcastle 4 months ago

re: alternate thumbnails: i think you can also just make it smaller and then use loading ="lazy" in your tag

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goooby's avatar goooby 4 months ago

@ancientcrypt you're right and I am so guilty of it. I archive/organize all the webgraphics I find on there so when I need them I can just quickly test by hotlinking then host later but I get lazy about it and forget LOL it's my worst habit

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New Takuya Angel set is hopefuilly coming in two weeks... I'm so fucking excited but ohh it's SO heavy to ship. I can't wait to try it on!
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texaskissrhinestone's avatar texaskissrhinestone 4 months ago

we (yes we) are so dripped out

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new art again! quick ryutaro sketches. one more week of exam season and I'll be free.
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I added a dark mode toggle! Woohoo!
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100 followers...!?
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transferns's avatar transferns 4 months ago

wow congrats!!

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sweet-pea's avatar sweet-pea 4 months ago

CONGRATS!!!

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goooby's avatar goooby 4 months ago

congrats!!!!!!!

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briedraws's avatar briedraws 4 months ago

Congrats!! You put in so much work and love with your site, definitely deserved!! ^w^9

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I've decided to make it public earlier than I originally intended: https://cattle.nehulus-vagus.com/
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texaskissrhinestone's avatar texaskissrhinestone 4 months ago

When I get off work I'm definitely gonna dive around. I saw the little mark about vintage stores and yeah, they're not even worth going to anymore.

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mouseling's avatar mouseling 4 months ago

@0ekekddddd Have fun! It's definietly a bit emptier than I'd like but I'll fill it up with time ^^ and yeah, "vintage stores" can kiss my ass. I only pop in to look at the CDs but even then $5 each is kind of insane compared to op shops selling discs $2 each. They have some old Japanese rental CDs sometimes though soooo

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texaskissrhinestone's avatar texaskissrhinestone 4 months ago

Gone to them for 4 years, realized the distinction between a thrift and vintage store, and stopped. Despite these stores lining the curb back-to-back where I live, they've been kind of fruitless. I am never gonna thrift anything as good as my H.Naoto belt pouch for like 2,800 yen offline, sobs.

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mouseling's avatar mouseling 4 months ago

Going to thrift stores these days is usually just with hope of finding clowns... with clothes the local places have been clogged with Shein (not that I haven't had my scores of course). My money is seriously better spent on Mercari especially with thrift prices these days @_@ it's a pain, but oh well, you make it work

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Changed my username… who cheered
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mouseling's avatar mouseling 4 months ago

I keep forgetting to work on it but my adaptation of "How to Homepage" is now semi-live. I also have one free to use layout up because I wanted to make one.

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