emilynhoward
3 weeks ago
Can't read the whole thing on AI poetry because of the paywall, but I'm not surprised by the outcome, only disappointed by the author's conclusions. Much of the best poetry is difficult because it's at the absolute limit of what language can convey. AI poetry appeals because it's an intellectual exercise that sounds nice. Poetry is beauty and terror and confusion, which coincidentally is what being human is.
yardonthirdstreet
3 weeks ago
emilynhoward’s “much of the best poetry is difficult because it’s at the absolute limite of what language can convey” — thank you... thank you for this.
suboptimalism
3 weeks ago
maybe my excerpt made this unclear, but the author definitely is not agreeing with those statements about how poetry "ought to be", he's just echoing the reasons why people prefer AI poetry. there's like two paragraphs after that too, mostly about the "abyss stares back" effect where AI writing will have an influence on human writing... i for one feel like i've started using a lot more em dashes lately...
angelsaremathematical
3 weeks ago
as an em dashes overuser i often worry whether someone will think my writing is ai...
sorbier
3 weeks ago
> "it's bad on purpose to make you click, it's bad on purpose to make you click" i repeat as a mantra to avoid completely losing it.
suboptimalism
3 weeks ago
it is more important than ever to practice good epistemic hygiene... like all powerful mantras, i didn't originate it, it was given to me
nweznui
3 weeks ago
disappointed to hear about the oliver sacks thing but can't say i'm surprised either. i never really read them for their legitimacy, i personally found them interesting from the point of view of how humans adapt and are shaped by inhibitions of sensory interpretation and memory recall. even if they are thought experiments at best, the man who mistook his wife for a hat was still a fun read
nweznui
3 weeks ago
and a lot of his anecdotes do broadly line up with my personal experiences taking care of dementia patients. so hopefully as a pop-sci book it at least helps garner sympathy for those with memory difficulty
emilynhoward
3 weeks ago
@suboptimalism Thanks for the clarification. In Western society currently, we are at what I believe are world-historical levels of under-appreciation of poetry. I cannot think of a society past or present that practices poetry but values it less than we currently do. So why not give it to the robots, just like automating tech support or something.
erieweb
2 weeks ago
you should read leave society if you get a chance imo (unlike you i've read that one but failed to read taipei several times)
saddleblasters
1 month ago
I was just thinking about reading that Dan Wang book (I've read his blog since 2020), so was surprised to see the mention at the end of the caro review. curious what you'll think of it
suboptimalism
1 month ago
i don't know if i even need to read it now because i swear i've read like 8 lengthy reviews of it already, all from before it came out, seems like everyone and their mother got an advance copy. btw the way i found out about "wanghong architecture" is because he brought it up in an interview i read
saddleblasters
1 month ago
I like his writing and think he's really inciteful about a bunch of stuff, but I don't really trust his Chinese pop-culture commentary. I feel like he's even more of a square than I am... I do suspect his book might have a lot in it that the reviews and interviews don't focus on though. I want to read more contemp. non-fiction in 2026, so might start with him
daliwali
1 month ago
u have way too much time if u read all of these... 30 books mentioned twice, 4 books mentioned 3 times. "notes from underground" is a great pick tho.
suboptimalism
1 month ago
perhaps i should clarify - i've read most but not all of these books, these are just themed reading lists i've been curating, if a book is a good fit for multiple lists then it appears multiple times. there are also many books i've read that i haven't been able to put into one of these lists yet...
suboptimalism
1 month ago
i also have a list i'm still working on that will mention notes from underground yet again
nobodylovesme
1 month ago
Seeing both The Book of Disquiet and No Longer Human in the «literally me» category makes me think we might be the same person... these are quite the fine suggestions. Giggled at the mention of the Holy Bible, though it is not incorrect.
suboptimalism
1 month ago
uh, well, the name of that list is in quotation marks because those are supposed to be books people commonly say that in reference to... i have a separate "literarily me" list on the homepage
wait, i love this so much. i might steal the index idea if that's okay!
yeah sure, probably best to be more selective about what to include than i am tho because i think i'm making it unusable by throwing in a bunch of one-off mentions i think are funny