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monsterousseas's avatar monsterousseas 2 weeks ago

wait, i love this so much. i might steal the index idea if that's okay!

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suboptimalism's avatar suboptimalism 2 weeks ago

yeah sure, probably best to be more selective about what to include than i am tho because i think i'm making it unusable by throwing in a bunch of one-off mentions i think are funny

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emilynhoward's avatar emilynhoward 1 month ago

Can't read the whole thing on AI poetry because of the paywall, but I'm not surprised by the outcome, only disappointed by the author's conclusions. Much of the best poetry is difficult because it's at the absolute limit of what language can convey. AI poetry appeals because it's an intellectual exercise that sounds nice. Poetry is beauty and terror and confusion, which coincidentally is what being human is.

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hylas's avatar hylas 1 month ago

i think you and i have the same internet

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yardonthirdstreet's avatar yardonthirdstreet 1 month ago

emilynhoward’s “much of the best poetry is difficult because it’s at the absolute limite of what language can convey” — thank you... thank you for this.

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yardonthirdstreet's avatar yardonthirdstreet 1 month ago

but whew, so glad to have read this.

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suboptimalism's avatar suboptimalism 1 month ago

maybe my excerpt made this unclear, but the author definitely is not agreeing with those statements about how poetry "ought to be", he's just echoing the reasons why people prefer AI poetry. there's like two paragraphs after that too, mostly about the "abyss stares back" effect where AI writing will have an influence on human writing... i for one feel like i've started using a lot more em dashes lately...

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angelsaremathematical's avatar angelsaremathematical 1 month ago

as an em dashes overuser i often worry whether someone will think my writing is ai...

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sorbier's avatar sorbier 1 month ago

> "it's bad on purpose to make you click, it's bad on purpose to make you click" i repeat as a mantra to avoid completely losing it.

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sorbier's avatar sorbier 1 month ago

you are so real for this

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suboptimalism's avatar suboptimalism 1 month ago

it is more important than ever to practice good epistemic hygiene... like all powerful mantras, i didn't originate it, it was given to me

nweznui's avatar nweznui 1 month ago

disappointed to hear about the oliver sacks thing but can't say i'm surprised either. i never really read them for their legitimacy, i personally found them interesting from the point of view of how humans adapt and are shaped by inhibitions of sensory interpretation and memory recall. even if they are thought experiments at best, the man who mistook his wife for a hat was still a fun read

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nweznui's avatar nweznui 1 month ago

and a lot of his anecdotes do broadly line up with my personal experiences taking care of dementia patients. so hopefully as a pop-sci book it at least helps garner sympathy for those with memory difficulty

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nweznui's avatar nweznui 1 month ago

also i'm jealous of tao lin i would like several feral pigs please.

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emilynhoward's avatar emilynhoward 1 month ago

@suboptimalism Thanks for the clarification. In Western society currently, we are at what I believe are world-historical levels of under-appreciation of poetry. I cannot think of a society past or present that practices poetry but values it less than we currently do. So why not give it to the robots, just like automating tech support or something.

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erieweb's avatar erieweb 1 month ago

you should read leave society if you get a chance imo (unlike you i've read that one but failed to read taipei several times)

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suboptimalism's avatar suboptimalism 1 month ago

i plan on it but the way i want to get a copy may take some time

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projectc190's avatar projectc190 1 month ago

utterly diabolical

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saltedslug's avatar saltedslug 1 month ago

where you been, loca?

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saddleblasters's avatar saddleblasters 1 month ago

I was just thinking about reading that Dan Wang book (I've read his blog since 2020), so was surprised to see the mention at the end of the caro review. curious what you'll think of it

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suboptimalism's avatar suboptimalism 1 month ago

i don't know if i even need to read it now because i swear i've read like 8 lengthy reviews of it already, all from before it came out, seems like everyone and their mother got an advance copy. btw the way i found out about "wanghong architecture" is because he brought it up in an interview i read

saddleblasters's avatar saddleblasters 1 month ago

I like his writing and think he's really inciteful about a bunch of stuff, but I don't really trust his Chinese pop-culture commentary. I feel like he's even more of a square than I am... I do suspect his book might have a lot in it that the reviews and interviews don't focus on though. I want to read more contemp. non-fiction in 2026, so might start with him

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