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emilynhoward's avatar emilynhoward 2 days ago

Can't read the whole thing on AI poetry because of the paywall, but I'm not surprised by the outcome, only disappointed by the author's conclusions. Much of the best poetry is difficult because it's at the absolute limit of what language can convey. AI poetry appeals because it's an intellectual exercise that sounds nice. Poetry is beauty and terror and confusion, which coincidentally is what being human is.

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hylas's avatar hylas 2 days ago

i think you and i have the same internet

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yardonthirdstreet's avatar yardonthirdstreet 2 days ago

emilynhoward’s “much of the best poetry is difficult because it’s at the absolute limite of what language can convey” — thank you... thank you for this.

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yardonthirdstreet's avatar yardonthirdstreet 2 days ago

but whew, so glad to have read this.

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suboptimalism's avatar suboptimalism 2 days ago

maybe my excerpt made this unclear, but the author definitely is not agreeing with those statements about how poetry "ought to be", he's just echoing the reasons why people prefer AI poetry. there's like two paragraphs after that too, mostly about the "abyss stares back" effect where AI writing will have an influence on human writing... i for one feel like i've started using a lot more em dashes lately...

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angelsaremathematical's avatar angelsaremathematical 2 days ago

as an em dashes overuser i often worry whether someone will think my writing is ai...

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sorbier's avatar sorbier 2 days ago

> "it's bad on purpose to make you click, it's bad on purpose to make you click" i repeat as a mantra to avoid completely losing it.

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sorbier's avatar sorbier 2 days ago

you are so real for this

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suboptimalism's avatar suboptimalism 2 days ago

it is more important than ever to practice good epistemic hygiene... like all powerful mantras, i didn't originate it, it was given to me

nweznui's avatar nweznui 1 day ago

disappointed to hear about the oliver sacks thing but can't say i'm surprised either. i never really read them for their legitimacy, i personally found them interesting from the point of view of how humans adapt and are shaped by inhibitions of sensory interpretation and memory recall. even if they are thought experiments at best, the man who mistook his wife for a hat was still a fun read

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nweznui's avatar nweznui 1 day ago

and a lot of his anecdotes do broadly line up with my personal experiences taking care of dementia patients. so hopefully as a pop-sci book it at least helps garner sympathy for those with memory difficulty

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nweznui's avatar nweznui 1 day ago

also i'm jealous of tao lin i would like several feral pigs please.

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emilynhoward's avatar emilynhoward 20 hours ago

@suboptimalism Thanks for the clarification. In Western society currently, we are at what I believe are world-historical levels of under-appreciation of poetry. I cannot think of a society past or present that practices poetry but values it less than we currently do. So why not give it to the robots, just like automating tech support or something.

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projectc190's avatar projectc190 5 days ago

utterly diabolical

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saltedslug's avatar saltedslug 3 days ago

where you been, loca?

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saddleblasters's avatar saddleblasters 2 weeks ago

I was just thinking about reading that Dan Wang book (I've read his blog since 2020), so was surprised to see the mention at the end of the caro review. curious what you'll think of it

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suboptimalism's avatar suboptimalism 2 weeks ago

i don't know if i even need to read it now because i swear i've read like 8 lengthy reviews of it already, all from before it came out, seems like everyone and their mother got an advance copy. btw the way i found out about "wanghong architecture" is because he brought it up in an interview i read

saddleblasters's avatar saddleblasters 2 weeks ago

I like his writing and think he's really inciteful about a bunch of stuff, but I don't really trust his Chinese pop-culture commentary. I feel like he's even more of a square than I am... I do suspect his book might have a lot in it that the reviews and interviews don't focus on though. I want to read more contemp. non-fiction in 2026, so might start with him

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daliwali's avatar daliwali 3 weeks ago

u have way too much time if u read all of these... 30 books mentioned twice, 4 books mentioned 3 times. "notes from underground" is a great pick tho.

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suboptimalism's avatar suboptimalism 3 weeks ago

perhaps i should clarify - i've read most but not all of these books, these are just themed reading lists i've been curating, if a book is a good fit for multiple lists then it appears multiple times. there are also many books i've read that i haven't been able to put into one of these lists yet...

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suboptimalism's avatar suboptimalism 3 weeks ago

i also have a list i'm still working on that will mention notes from underground yet again

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nobodylovesme's avatar nobodylovesme 2 weeks ago

Seeing both The Book of Disquiet and No Longer Human in the «literally me» category makes me think we might be the same person... these are quite the fine suggestions. Giggled at the mention of the Holy Bible, though it is not incorrect.

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suboptimalism's avatar suboptimalism 2 weeks ago

uh, well, the name of that list is in quotation marks because those are supposed to be books people commonly say that in reference to... i have a separate "literarily me" list on the homepage

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Really enjoyed your perspective on what feels like a driving force of my life. we are all imperfectly perfect (•˕ •マ
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balckwell's avatar balckwell 3 weeks ago

more importantly, Yokosuka is the setting of Shenmue; you really should have walked around asking where you could find some sailors...

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now that im actually trying to read your site i take back what i said this palm pilot theme is unbearable
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suboptimalism's avatar suboptimalism 1 month ago

i was actually thinking the same thing yesterday when i was working on something and looking at the actual pages themselves extensively instead of just working inside code editor the whole time...

suboptimalism's avatar suboptimalism 1 month ago

at the same time, i like the "no cheap thrills to be had here!" vibe you get from going monochrome

seananigans's avatar seananigans 1 month ago

one could even say it's... suboptimal....

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