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>daliwali So religion is not really arguable. It is showable. So if you don't see what I wrote I can't explain it. With the exact same reason that the beauty of Beethoven's symphonies can't be explained for people who can't see.
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>daliwali That's an interesting way the debate goes on. I think Noumena can't be said so that what Thomas Aquinas did in Summa Theologica was not actual proofs. But it is showable via things like art or practice. Well this is basically Wittgenstein's Tractatus. Religion is not noumena itself, but it shows some noumena.
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>daliwali I agree that Christianity is not special and it has Prisca Theologia only partially. But it HAS Prisca Theologia too similar to other religions.
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>daliwali I guess you just don't actually believe there are things before the phenomenal world. Talking about popularity doesn't make any sense because what makes every religion religion is its consideration of things that have existed since before the cosmos. Humans exist AFTER the cosmos, although some religions say that's because of the fall.
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why does existence of a noumenal world hinge on belief? i believe that noumena exist but is also not knowable... the human mind does not deal with that ambiguity and uncertainty well.