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Your response is more thorough and maturely-written than I ever expected or deserved. I am grateful you are offering such exhaustive expertise, and I’m happy to see the criticisms are legitimate and objective, as I am frequently guilty of violating in my own opinions.

I read the article alongside writing my thoughts in a text document. After I publish my year-end review article, I will take action to improve my 4chan article and cite you as a co-author. https://frogesay.neocities.org/temp/2020-12-26-4chan-criticisms-live-blog.txt

Thanks, Froge. I read through your notes, and have just a few comments: On line 28 ("He criticises calling Gamergate a harrassment campaign..."), I should probably make it more clear that I'm not questioning whether it was an online harassment campaign, but rather criticizing the supposed gravity of "online harassment" in general.

Line 36 ("NEET: In response to a vague notion of bias..."): My issue with the NYT is less left vs. right than authoritarian vs. libertarian, with it and the other mainstream outlets I mentioned definitely being more authoritarian (and pro-establishment). They've also written very negative articles about 4chan/8chan/imageboards, which strikes me as being opposed to the freedom and free speech that those sites embody.

Line 67: "If we define 'cultural output' as pure influence on the rest of the Internet": I suppose it's a matter of our differing definitions -- I was implicitly using one that limited "cultural output" only to memes/OC that originated on 4chan, and didn't include influence exerted outside the site. In that case, I wouldn't say what's coming out today can match the creative quality and quantity of the mid-2000s.

You also missed me calling 8chan an "image booru". Seriously, what was I thinking?