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donovan-thought's avatar donovan-thought 3 weeks ago

okay, returning sorta but to clarify I'm primarily writing off-site at the moment and doing research into a few topics, particularly the origins and purpose of the state

donovan-thought's avatar donovan-thought 3 weeks ago

something notable lenin pointed out is clarifying that engels' discussion in anti-duhring points out that the marxist philosophers and the anarchist and social democrat philosophers (both) perceive the fall of the state entirely differently. engels stated and lenin clarified:

donovan-thought's avatar donovan-thought 3 weeks ago

bourgeois state → violent revolution → workers' state → withering into nothing more than an organization that distributes commodites once class antagonisms are done away with (as the state serves as a mediator to force the oppression of one class over another, ex. bourgeois state over proletariat or proletarian state over bourgeoisie, to prevent class warfare)

donovan-thought's avatar donovan-thought 3 weeks ago

the anarchist movement (bakunin and kropotkin) and the social democrat movement (bernstein, bizarrely also bakunin, and kautsky) interpreted the fall of the state as a full abolition, with a minor distinction that the anarchists presented bourgeois state → violent revolution → free association in a stateless, alegal society

donovan-thought's avatar donovan-thought 3 weeks ago

the social democrats, precursors to the modern democratic socialist movement, contrarily presented the ludicrous concept of bourgeois state → electoralism in the bourgeois democracy → somehow transitioning into a proletarian state → state abolished. notably the modern democratic socialist movement has slightly altered that first stage to market socialism (or just capitalism with social protections)

donovan-thought's avatar donovan-thought 3 weeks ago

that demsoc idea specifically advocating for personal benefits under whatever the current country needs to be without abolishing the systems of imperialism they benefit from

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